Posts Tagged ‘Youth Brigade’

Anthony Palmer (Duhhh #3 cover)guess who…!?

Another great opportunity to see some great bands and meet up with some friends (like Joris De Buysser of Bonds Of Friendship, Anneke Schuurman of Puffy zine, Anthony Palmer of Dingo Baby zine, …).

‘Embittered’ was a grindcore band from Middlesbrough. Their line-up changed quite often: Anthony Palmer (vocals), Brian Puplett (vocals; later also ‘Manfat’) and Ash(ley) Quinn (bass); played this one. ‘Mac’ (drums) and ‘Gus’ (guitar) were replaced. Michael J. Gillham (the drummer of ‘Voorhees’) wasn’t in the band at that time yet… I’d gotten to know them because I was corresponding with Anth who was doing a zine (which I distributed, and vice versa) and Bri had sent me a demo of his former band ‘Catharsis’. Their split with ‘Hiatus’ on Desperate Attempt was about to be released. On this tour they did a live recording of their show (92-09-16), at the Café Fabrik squat in Potsdam (Germany), that got released as a cassette called All Too Human. The year before they’d already done the And You Ask Why? When You’ve Only Got Yourself To Blame cassette (“intense & fast grinding anarcho-core”); and in 1993 Misanthropic recs released a split-LP with ‘Dystopia’. Their last release was the Choked 7” on Ecocentric recs – with a completely different line-up than in the beginning; e.g. Mark Fox on bass, Michael Gillham on drums and Rob ‘Slavery’ Ankers (R.I.P.) doing vocals.

‘Human Lethargy’ from Athens were Spiros (vocals), Thanos Georgilas (bass; later in ‘Panikos’), (Evangelos) Va(n)gelis ‘Vanx’ Petropoulos (drums; ex ‘Anabiosis’) and Thanassis (guitar). They released a demo-cassette in 1992 (still with Sakis ex ‘Industrial Suicide’ singing). Their music sounded great, reminiscent of ‘Antisect’ and ‘Contropotere’. Both Genet recs and Joris of Conspiracy recs were planning releases. Here’s a video of them “live in Belgium”; it doesn’t look like the Vort’n Vis so I’m guessing it’s at La Zone in Liège (92-09-11: ‘One By One’, ‘Sedition’, ‘Embittered’, ‘Human Lethargy’)?

‘Slum Gang’, from Nottingham, were: Eddie Greenaway (guitar; bass in ‘Downfall’), Joe Nott (‘Pug Slum’, drums), Tim Cleaver (bass) and Loyd Sims (vocals/guitar; sang for ‘Concrete Sox’ on the split with ‘Nightmare’). This band hadn’t released anything yet; they recorded their 1st demo in early ‘93. Listen to some of their melodic HC/punk. They came back to the V.V. with their mates/drinking-buddies from Groningen on 98-06-05.

‘Slum Gang’; photos courtesy of Eddie Greenaway

‘Exhauster’ were Ringo Haezebrouck (drums), Vinnie Bonduwe (guitar; also ‘Caducity’), Phillippe Dassonvile (in the Vort’n Vis referred to as “the hard-rocker”), David Verbiest and Laurens Barroo (guitar). Henk Loobuyck reminded me they were “metal-heads” from the Ieper area who played “a trashy ‘Metallica’ style”…

‘Jawbreaker’ had been announced (they were touring – see tourposter) but as explained in the post on 92-10-04 I can ‘t come up with a reason why they didn’t show up (the UK part of the tour was cancelled but they played in France a bit later). They did do a gig here a couple of years later (94-10-01)…

92 Jawbreaker tour SF to NYC then over to Europe (and back again)

‘Agent 86’ (see 92-09-06 & 92-10-04) had been announced for this one too (probably when their tour-schedule wasn’t completely arranged yet) but were in Yugoslavia at this time…

‘Decadence Within’ were announced at some timepoint but I can ‘t remember why they didn’t come. They had already played in Poperinge on 90-04-08 and would be back at the V.V. on 93-05-16.

(Fom my personal communication oct ’92 =>) >> ‘Youth Brigade’ was supposed to play. I think they just reformed to be able to make a quick buck. They cancelled the show because “it’s too small” (500 people!?). Actually, it’s because they can make more money in a rockstar-club in Germany. Fuck that! I don’t really care to see those big well-known bands, I prefer smaller but truly DIY bands. <<


It was the last show of a pretty successful/ enjoyable tour and I guess everyone was just out to have a good time. I have a tendency to shout a lot when I’m having a cool time drunk; I hope you didn’t take too much notice of my attacks on certain things (e.g. ‘Political Asylum’ & Ramsey, etc.) – all in good humour.

The Vort’n Vis is a cool/friendly place – in fact our Belgian dates were easily the best! From my one, solitary experience: I have no problem with the place whatsoever; just a percentage of the kids who were there that night. Perhaps I’m upholding stereotypes or maybe I’m talking from experience (not just with the Vort’n Vis). I’m not saying they shouldn’t be there or that they shouldn’t be straight edge… I know some ‘crusties’ are fuckin’ idiots, as are some ‘edgers’…

Anthony Palmer, ‘Embittered’ vocalist; personal communication oct ’92 and later

The line-up was (indeed) Bri & Anth (vocals), Ash (guitar), Saul (bass) & Mac (drums). Darren was the original guitarist. ‘Cockney’ [Darren O’Hara ? – see comment] played guitar following that tour. In 1993 we became a 6-piece with two guitarists. We played 7 shows on this tour, I thought it had been more – Liège, Duisburg, Hannover, Berlin, Potsdam, Groningen & Ieper. The show in Ieper was great; last show, got way drunk I recall. ‘Slum Gang’ from the UK also played, ‘Human Lethargy’ from Greece as well…

Anth Palmer, ‘Embittered’

‘Youth Brigade’ pulled out, ‘Decadence Within’ weren’t there, a metal band called ‘Exhauster’ headlined, the Greek band and ‘Embittered’. ‘Slum Gang’ played instead of ‘Youth Brigade’. We didn’t come with ‘Embittered’, we just played Liège and Ieper; it was the first 2 gigs we did. Lloyd was our songwriter, he was also in ‘Default’ and he did stints in ‘Concrete Sox’. Myself and ‘Pug’ also stood in for ‘Substandard’.

Eddie Greenaway, ‘Slum Gang’

Vagelis still plays in punk-bands (he mailed me the CD of the band ‘Anatopia’). Also ‘Panikos’ [who played on 94-05-08] did a new LP.

Joris De Buysser

I played for ‘Embittered’ a little while, did a few shows and recorded 6 or 7 tracks with them – not sure what they did with them… I was supposed to tour Europe with ‘Embittered’ but I left and joined ‘Hellkrusher’ before it happened.

Gary ‘Gus’ Raine

Can’t remember much of that, too long ago. We also played there with ‘Neuthrone’ and ‘Dreft’. On another occasion I played there also a few times with ‘K.U.N.T’ [‘Krisis Und Neurosis Theater’; with ‘Neuthrone’s David Stubbe] …

Philippe Dassonville [‘Fluppe the Hardrocker’]

excerpts from the V.V. guestbook:

VV 92-09-19 - (book A) Human Lethargy

VV 92-09-19 - (book A) Embittered

VV 92-09-19 - (book A) AshBruno wonders if it’s a Candian visiter, I reckon it’s ‘Embittered’s bassist

VV 92-09-19 - (book A) Slum Gang

VV 92-09-19 - (book A) comment DoomyVV 92-09-19 - (book A) comment Doomy'‘Doomy’ wonders if the V.V. food caused the ‘Embittered’ guys to spit bile… ;-)

additions wellcome!…

‘That’s It’ was a melodic pop-punk-rock band (they’re influences – as they stated themselves – being ‘The Pixies’, ‘Fugazi’, ‘Gang Of Four’, ‘The Jam’, etc.) with ex ‘Youth Brigade’ guitarist/vocalist (and Better Youth Organization founder) Shawn Stern. Bassist Greta (replacing Andy Hadel on this tour) wrote something in the V.V. guestbook. Besides them there was Mark Phillips (guitar, vocals) and Tom(my) ‘Stupid’ Withers (drums). But the latter left or was kicked out somewhere along the line… I didn’t go and see them because I had the impression the whole thing was rather hyped. Bruno, in his well-known marketing style announced this as some kind of hardcore all-star band…

‘That’s It’ put out a 7” on Frank Babel’s Blasting Youth recs in 1992 featuring David Andler (drums & vocals), Shawn Stern (vocals & guitar) and Mark Phillips (guitar, bass + vocals). The recordings were done at Southern Studios in London (January ‘92). There was also a 12” on Shawn’s B.Y.O. recs the year before (entitled Really?!; with Tommy Stupid on drums)…

In the guestbook Shawn writes this was the 2nd to last show but there’s another entry in the guestbook on 92-05-24…

Nowadays Tom Withers is a DJ & he produces drum’n’bass under the alias ‘Klute’…

‘Behind The Smile’ vocalist Christophe Chojna ensures me his band played aswell. They’d performed at the Vort’n Vis before (91-10-12) when they had their demo-tape out. My mate Arnaud Huftier (who did Uprising Decay zine) played bass; Laurent did drums and Rudy guitar. In 1992 they did a split 7” with the Finnish ‘Juggling Jugulars’ called ‘A Wish To Dream’ on Sylvain Vilette’s Bad Card recs (1992) on which Laurent & Christophe were replaced. (They took a second guitarist, Pierre, later). ‘B.T.S.’ played another show on 93-02-21.

‘Parkinson Square’ was a HC band from Lyon (France) with Gilles Laval (guitar), Laurent Frick (vocals), Lucien Mingoia (drums; replacing Hugo Maimone) & Richard Gaultier (bass; replacing Akis Amprazis). Don’t remember much about them, except that they seemed to aim to become mainstream and were just using the D.I.Y. scene as a stepping-stone… Not sure if they actually played?

Probably the last ever show of ‘Chronic Disease’…? ‘Leffe’ (vocals), ‘Sling’ (drums), ‘Meyer’ (guitar) and ‘Vrokker’ (bass) were about to call it quits. The following years they would start a string of bands.


<<I don’t talk to any of the guys that I recorded with. Tommy Stupid left in the middle of the tour, which was really screwed because we were on the East-coast and were about to leave for a 7 week tour. I think he’s an asshole and he’s lucky I didn’t beat the crap out of him. He would be wise to stay the hell away from me! Mark Phillips is a great guitar-player, just a strange person and I don’t talk to him. He was in ‘Down By Law’ and ‘Joykiller’, but I guess that didn’t work out either. David Andler, who played on the European tour and on the German 7”, still keeps in contact. He lives in Maryland and has played in various bands and now runs a small label/distro called Morphius. He’s a really cool guy, we had fun touring Europe.>> (interview with Shawn in Enough fanzine 1999)

I was the 1st bassplayer of ‘Four Walls Falling’ but I didn’t tour with them in Europe; but I did tour with ‘That’s It’. The singer/guitarist was Shawn Stern from ‘Youth Brigade’, the drummer was named Dave [David Andler] and the other guitarist was Mark [Phillips] who also played in ‘Down By Law’. We toured with a lovely bunch of English guys called ‘Frogs Of War’, among them was bassist Kieran Heneghan and drummer Tim Green.

Greta Brinkman, ‘That’s It’ bassplayer

I do remember the gig; it was around December of 1991. I think there were a few other bands on the bill; one of them was kind of a crust-core type band from Belgium and the guitar-player spoke English with an accent from south London which seemed odd because most Europeans speak American English.

Mark Phillips, guitarist ‘That’s It’

The ‘Frogs of War’s part of the tour with ‘That’s It’ had come to an end by the time they played your venue. We’d been their support for around 5 weeks, from November ‘91 to January ‘92. Great memories – the ones I can actually remember! Never made it to Belgium unfortunately…

Kieran Heneghan, ‘Frogs of War’s bassplayer

We played with ‘That’s It’ but didn’t play the Belgium leg of the tour I think… 100% sure (ok – 99% sure) that we didn’t have the pleasure of playing there (unfortunately)…

Tommy Withers (ex ‘Stupids’) left ‘That’s It’ for the following reason: he met a girl after a show and just refused to get in the van and leave for the next show…just refused to leave her…

Tom Cockcroft, ‘Frogs of War’s guitarist

That’s not true. I was there.

Andy Turner, Full Circle recs label-boss & tour-manager [released their LP All Said And Done in 1990]

‘Frogs Of War’ hailed from Huddersfield (also hometown of Andy Turner and his ‘Instigators’). They were supposed to be influenced by the likes of ‘H.D.Q.’, ‘Snuff’ and ‘Instigators’: UK melodic hardcore punk. The band was: Tim Green on drums, Adrian Day – rhythm-guitar, Tom Cockcroft – lead-guitar, Kieran Heneghan on bass and guy called ‘Digby’ singing…


excerpts from the V.V. guestbook:

additions wellcome!…