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One of the (in)famous Vort’n Vis New Year’s Eve gigs…

‘Subcaos’ 3rd appearance at the Vort’n Vis (after 93-08-01 & 94-04-02). The band came from Lisbon. Their vocalist Diogo Tovar Carvalho (vocals) was the editor of Recognize No Authority zine. In the beginning (’91) they had a bassist named Rui and drummer Hugo Begucho (ex ‘Alcoore’) in their ranks. Their ‘regular’ line-up became Diogo and ‘Xico’ (or Chico or FJ) singing, with guitarists João Abrantes & João Barrelas, bassist Tópê and drummer David.  There was also a female singer (Rita) in the band in 93/94. Slime recs (which existed since 1989) changed it’s name to Ataque Sonoro around 1994/95 (ataquesonoro.blogspot) and released their split-album with ‘Genital Deformities’ in ’94.

‘Subcaos’; photographed by Henk Loobuyck

The first appearance of ‘Carcer Molochi’ in their first line-up, consisting of Erwin Degryse (guitar), David Stubbe (drums), Danny Suffys (bass), Johan Sys (vocals), Michael ‘Mike’ Maes (guitar) and Inge Cappoen (vocals). They were locals and most of them were V.V. ‘shitworkers’ so they performed a bunch of times over the years (95-03-05, 95-09-16, 96-02-24 & 96-09-21). Michael, Danny & Johan had been in ‘As Usual’ before. In ‘96 Bram ‘Lawaai’ Calbrecht (R.I.P.) replaced David. And by autumn that year ‘Mike’ took over, and ‘Gork’ (ex ‘Coche Bomba’ guitarist) became the second vocalist and Yannick ‘PikPik’ Moulière played bass.

‘Chosen Choice’ was a “thrashpunk” band from Lublin with guitarist Piotr(ek) Kowalczyk & drummer Marek (who was also in ‘Amen’). I have a vague idea of one of them living in Amsterdam and being in contact with Afonso (see below) from Cascais. They would come back 95-07-09.

In the V.V. notes there was also mention of a band named ‘Cerebrus’ or ‘Cerberus’. No idea who they were or if they actually played…


This gig was booked on short notice. I think the ‘Subcaos’ line-up was completely different.

João Abrantes

I met you, Brob! I used to distribute your zine through my mailorder (Freedom – or F.D.M. – Distro; which was done by Roland of ‘No Oppression’ at first). At the moment I’m writing a book on Portuguese punk/HC from 1978-98. When I finish that I can send you material and stories: I still have – I hope – photos from the V.V. and will surely contribute them.

Afonso Cortez Pinto

I couldn’t go to that 3rd ‘Subcaos’ tour in December ’94. Joao Abrantes didn’t go either I think (in fact he left the band in ’95). That line-up is different from the ’93 one (no Tópê on bass but Ricardo -on the photo- replacing Tópê (Antonio Pedro)… Not sure who’s the drummer on the pic).

I don’t remember the chronology of out line-ups very well anymore. The band recorded sporadically in the 2000s. In fact that was the best time of the band: we (the line-up consisted of metal guys into punk; ‘Libe’ – João Barrelas – also for a while) played a festival and several shows in Portugal; all very brutal and intense, We had a lot of fun.

Francisco ‘FJ’ Dias

excerpts from the V.V. guestbook:

additions wellcome!…


This gig was announced as a benefit-gig “in order to be able to finance the reparations needed for the vocal P.A.”. Lots of things, line-up wise, changed during the preparation…

At first another Portugese band, ‘Inkisiçao’ (see 94-09-17) was gonna tour with ‘No More’ but they couldn’t make it because of the singer’s job-duties… Their replacement ‘Corrosão Caótica’ – a hardcore/punk band from Lisbon with vocalist Paulo ‘Piranha’ Baptista, guitarist João(zinho) Morais, drummer Rui Lucena and bassist Miguel ‘Zé Gato’ (later also in ‘Subcaos’), and for a moment they also had a female guitarist called Susana – cancelled the tour aswell in the end. Hence the gig that was announced for July 31st was abandoned…

‘Subcaos’ from Lisbon were Diogo Tovar Carvalho (vocals; also did Recognize No Authority zine, and distributed mine), Xico (or Chico or FJ; vocals), João Abrantes (guitar; was ‘held up’), João Barrelas (guitar; also in ‘X-Acto’), Tópê (bass) & David (drums). They put out a demo (Genocidio, “chaotic crustcore”) in ’92 and tracks for the split-7” with ‘Hiatus’ (out on Slime recs) were recorded at the gig they played in Bruges the day before … (93-07-31) Slime recs (which existed since 1989) changed it’s name to Ataque Sonoro around 1994/95 (ataquesonoro.blogspot) and released their split-album with ‘Genital Deformities’ in ’94. They came back twice… (94-04-02 & 94-12-31).

‘Subcaos’ photos from Ludovic Hache’s zine Ras L’Bol #3 (top => bottom: Tópê – Diogo – ‘Xico’)

‘No More’ (see 92-05-24, 92-09-05 & 93-03-28) – Claude ‘Pattex’ Werer (guitar), Fränz Laureys (bass), Steve ‘Diff’ Differding (vocals) & Mike ‘Schof’ (drums) – who were supposed to play with ‘Corrosão Caótica’ the day before didn’t come over either (or did they?)… Another band that ‘Diff’ played guitar for, ‘Subway Arts’ (political hardcore/punk from Esch/Alzette), played. The others in the band: Claude ‘Bourano’ Bour (drums; (drums; Mike played on the split-LP but left also soon after), Fränz Laureys (bass), Sabrina D’Aurelio (vocals; David on the split-LP) and Xavier (guitar). It wasn’t their first visit either (92-12-20, 93-02-06, 93-07-04) and it wouldn’t be their last (94-04-02) … The Luxemburgers had released a split 12” (All Life is Equal) together with ‘No More’ in 1991 (on Markus Haas’ Per Koro recs). Around this time here they released a 12” titled “Una Definizione Perveresa Della Pace” (‘93) – a collaboration of Genet recs and PeaCy recs (ran by Diff and Simone Winandy).

‘Subway Arts’; photos by Eric ‘React’ Wawrzynkowski

‘Scraps’ were announced (in the newsletter) with a new line-up and new songs. At their previous passages (90-02-24, 90-09-15, 91-03-16, 91-09-01, 91-12-31) David (vocals) & his brother Raphael Dutriaux (guitar) still had Xavier (drums) in their ranks – besides Tomoy (bass) off course. I guess they might’ve recruted Pierre Anne (ex ‘6 Feet Over’) as drummer by then… He was on the LP Dismantle The Machine One Cog At A Time (recorded April ’94).

‘P.J.D.’ (Private Jesus Detector) was also mentioned in the newsletter but there’s nothing about hem in the V.V. notes for that day… They’d played the Vort’n Vis several times before: 90-08-25, 90-10-27 & 91-03-16.


We’d split up since a while because we rehearsed very rarely in 1992. We did that last show in Ternat [93-10-23] because it was a benefit. We did a few show in 1993 but ‘Pette’ didn’t feel like it much anymore… Gigging became sporadic but the fun of it was gone by the end of ‘92/beginning of ‘93. Also ‘Spatje’ didn’t feel like it anymore…

Koen ‘Siesele lammens, ‘P.J.D. bassist

Since we [‘No More’/’Subway Arts’] were kind of a collective with people switching from here to there and we all had a great relationship witch each other, we might have decided to just play as ‘Subway Arts’…


I remember ‘Subcaos’: very cool people, the loved to play soccer. We went over to Portugal aswell… I guess ‘Diff’ organised all of that. Portugal, Spain,…

Sabrina D’Aurelio, ‘Subway Arts singer

I definitely think that the V.V. gig was the best of the ‘Subcaos’ tour as everyone talked over and over about it. I really would have liked to be there but it wasn’t possible…

Miguel Crespo (Ratazana Productions [a concert-collective, including with Guilherme Chalmers]), personal communication ‘94

I remember we shook hands in 1993 or the second time I was there in 1995. Lots of memories from those times, all the people and the mighty Vort’n Vis where I slept at least a couple of times… It was Bruno’s good intention to help ‘Turmoil’ with touring Europe and with a (split)LP; which never happened because of hard situations in Turkey. It was a nice dream anyway. I tried my best and with the help of Bruno I showed up alone instead of a tour and had a great time. There was a great gig with ‘Scraps’; ‘Subway Arts’ & ‘Subcaos’ were touring. There were lots of cool people at V.V. like the guy from ‘Neuthrone’, the unknown crusties of ‘War Cry’ and ‘Corpus Christi’, the people of Nabate recs and – I want to mention these names – Boezie, Stevie, Jimyh. I believe I have some photos from those days.

I’m still a noise-freak, still enjoy a lot of the same old stuff. I wouldn’t care sounding like ‘Youth Corps’ or ‘Terveet Kadet’…

Tay(lan) Ipek, ‘Turmoil’

I was on the road with ‘Subcaos’ and the Luxembourgers (I’m not sure if ‘Subway Arts’ played on all days or if they only played in Ieper. I think the other 2 days and probably the entire tour was with ‘No More’.); a tour that Bruno organised in the summer of 1993 (I also attended the 1994 ‘Subcaos’ gig): one gig in Manheim in the Cologne area, so not Mannheim in the south-west of Germany) and two in Belgium (Bruges and Ieper). Originally, I just wanted to attend the Ieper gig but Bruno asked if I was up for two more days. There were also a few other people accompanying ‘Subcaos’, which was nice: chatting, beer. :-). It was a really good experience being on tour (well, 3 or 4 days) with people from rather different backgrounds and countries (Portuguese, Luxembourg, Belgium, Germany). Markus of Per Koro recs also attended those gigs.

Carsten Pötter (Frankfurt)

I remember ‘Subway Arts’ very well… First time I heard a band from Luxembourg: ‘bonne pêche’, nice people, etc. Don’t remember much about ‘Subcaos’…

Willy ‘Hiatus’

One thing that I can recall from on of the gigs at the V.V. is that we were playing the smaller room and right in the middle of our set smoke started coming out of one of the amps, not sure if they caught fire or not but it would make a better story if it did… ;-)

Diogo (Tovar), ‘Subcaos’ singer

I couldn’t go on tour at that time because I had a ‘small problem” with the law and could not leave the country :-) I believe the band played in the V.V. bar.

João Abrantes, ‘Subcaos’ guitarist

I toured with ‘Scraps’ once, playing the guitar. As far as I can remember I just played Germany and Austria for five weeks. I replaced the guitarist, Raphael (David’s bro; he used to work with handicapped people and could not get holidays). I think it was ‘93. [Brob: I think that was ’95; and Amanda Trevens was touring with them in ‘94…]

Ma Raab

excerpts from the V.V. guestbook:

additions wellcome!…

94-04-02 Subcaos logo

Don’t find the flyer anymore… The newsletter of that time mentioned “7 bands, 7 nationalities” and also announced ‘Apathia’ from Poland and the Belgian ‘Systemphobia’… Can’t remember if these showed up (Mario & Kristof of the latter commented that they did play…).

The Scots of ‘Oi Polloi’ played at the V.V. so many times… Not sure what the line-up was here; I guess Calum MacKenzie (bass), Murray Briggs (drums) – they’re in the guestbook – Deek Allen (vocals) and Matt Finch (guitar) … & Colin Douglas (the driver). The band has had many different configurations: in my friend Michèle’s zine Persons Unknown it’s mentioned that on the tour with ‘Inkisiçao’ & ‘X-Acto’ (a few months after this, Sep ‘94) it was Deek & Matt, and Chris ‘Wheelie’ Willsher (drums) & ‘Clive’ (Calum Mackenzie, bass), and Al was the driver… An interview in Fifi #1 mentions Brian [Tipa] playing guitar…

‘Subcaos’ from Lisbon were Diogo (Tovar) Carvalho (vocals; also did Recognize No Authority zine, and distributed mine), Xico (or Chico or FJ; vocals), João Abrantes (guitar), João Barrelas (guitar; also in ‘X-Acto’), To-Pê (bass) & David (drums). They put out a demo (Genocidio, “chaotic crustcore”) in ’92 and tracks for the split-7” with Hiatus (on Slime recs) were just recorded (raging HC)… Slime recs (which existed since 1989) changed it’s name to Ataque Sonoro around 1994/95 (ataquesonoro.blogspot) and released their split-album with ‘Genital Deformities’ in ’94. Fast crusty HC! ‘Subcaos’ had been here before… (93-08-01)

‘Subway Arts’ were a political hardcore/punk band from Luxembourg. In 1991 the Band released a split-12” titled All Life is Equal together with their mates of ‘No More’ on Markus Haas’ Per Koro recs (actually he ran it together with Tanja Maier). Two years later they released a 12” titled “Una Definizione Perveresa Della Pace” (‘93) – a collaboration of Genet recs and PeaCy recs (ran by Diff and Simone Winandy). They were: Claude ‘Bourano’ Bour (drums; Mike played on the split-LP but left also soon after), Steve ‘Diff’ Differding (guitar), Fränz Laureys (bass), Sabrina D’Aurelio (vocals; David on the split-LP) and Xavier (guitar).

‘Quite Fresh Phobia’ from Eindhoven consisted of Skip Kort (drums), Sander (vocals), Antoine (bass) & Roland ‘Rolansky’ Molegraaf (guitar; ex ‘Incertitude’ & ‘Hund Als Waffe’). They had a track on the Bits Of Noise CD, a compilation of Ducth bands on WRF recs. Roland also booked bands (@ Burgers) and sometimes set up tours… They had been here before (93-03-14)…

‘Kulturalis Szemle’ (“Cultural Review”), a band from Orosháza, South-Eastern Hungary, were: Eörsi (guitar), Kicsi (drums/vocals) & Csiri (bass/vocals). They did two mini-tours in France & Belgium with the French band ‘Constant Summer’ (Don’t think they played this one…). The band had a total of six demos (downloadable via their website out. They played punk-rock, “mixed with alternative and indie influences”. Most songs had Hungarian lyrics.


We were touring with our friends form ‘Subway Arts’ when we arrive at beautiful Ieper. I can remember the church near the V.V. and specially the V.V. bar. In Portugal back in the 90s we used to play for 300/400 people, numbers that are rarely seen nowadays over here. At this gig I remember that Bruno (who organised our Euro tours) talked about +/-1000 people at the festival. Our show was huge. [The bands played in big ‘barn’, not the pub.]

We were touring with an old drummer that learned the songs while driving from Portugal to central Europe and so we couldn’t play many new songs that we had. David was replaced by Hugo Begucho (he was our first drummer and recorded the Genocidio demos back in 1992. He also played for the great Portuguese HC band called ‘Alcoore’.) on this tour. We also did an (self-titled) EP in 1994 on Rage recs with the new songs that we couldn´t play live because our drummer left us one day after we left Portugal to the Euro tour… I still remember that the Belgians really liked us.

I recall that the guitarist of ‘Hiatus’ was chewing my guitar-strings and falling over the drum-kit. The crowd was insane and really liked our heavy sound. Unfortunately our crew didn’t record our show (drunk bastards) but I filmed the entire ‘Oi Polloi’ show. I still have it on 8mm and VHS and I will try to convert it digital. I can only remember the ‘Subway Arts’ gig and ‘Oi Polloi’…the rest of the time I think I spent it drinking beers outside. ;-)

After this crazy show I remember talking and drinking with Wills and the rest of ‘Hiatus’; it was a great great day. The next day we played in Orléans (France) and some French and Belgian guys came with us for that show. Super.

João Pedro of Slime recs also came on tour with us. So were Miguel Crespo and his brother Samuel [Brob: Isn’t this supposed to be his friend Samuel Melro?]. You were asking/searching for Miguel Crespo & Guilherme. João ‘Jonhie Simbiose’ was a close friend of Miguel…

Also some others of us still play and you can check for these bands: vocalist Francisco [FJ] Dias is in ‘Dawnrider’ and sometimes ‘Subcaos’, guitarist João Barrelas played in ‘Danwrider’ and I played for ‘Rolls-Rockers’ and nowadays [2013] for ‘15Freaks’. I still play live (I was 18 at the time) but it was perhaps my best gig ever. Nowadays I’m more into punk rock’n’roll like ‘Supersuckers’, ‘Gluecifer’, ‘Turbonegro’; I really don’t like the new punk-bands but there are some good like ‘Mr. Myagi’ (Check out about the punk-scene on So the ex ‘Subacaos’ members are all active except David, Diogo Tovar (living in Amsterdam) and To-Pê (haven’t heard again from him)…

João (Pedro) Abrantes, guitarist of ‘Subcaos’

Miguel Crespo is not dead, he is very much alive and has been living in Amsterdam for 15 years…

João ‘Jonhie Simbiose’

I was indeed one of the singers from ‘Subcaos’… My memories from those days are not very good, maybe a side-effect from the countless cartons of cheap red wine that we brought with us from Portugal. But I definitely remember that we had a great time and you guys really made us feel at home.

I’m now [2013] living in London but met Miguel frequently when I was in A’dam. I believe Guilherme’s living in Brasil now. He was our driver when we played the V.V. for the 2nd time. I remember now that there were five of us inside his tiny Renault 5 and we took no instruments with us at all, our only baggage was just this shit-load of cheap red wine. Not very professional I guess… ;-)

Diogo (Tovar)

Our band quit in 1998 but we are still good friends, and meet frequently and talk about the ‘good old times’ then. There’s a special place in our memory about touring with the band and the gigs we played. We got to the V.V. with the help of Manu of ‘Constant Summer’ who organised some other gigs for us in France and Belgium. We were really satisfied about the technical equipment and the stuff at the V.V. The audience was great too, we met a lot of communicative, open-minded people there. We had a nice time.

‘Kulturalis Szemle’

Second gig of ‘Quite Fresh Phobia’ here. Different singer this time: Sander. Maarten had left the band the year before. It was packed, so lucky we played in the hall in the back instead of the tiny pub. Just before we had to play I heard two punks talking that it would be a good time to get food ‘cause the next band (us) was a non-grinding one. True, ‘Q.F.P.’ made punk-rock with some hardcore influences. Anyway there where still a lot of people in front of the stage and they really made this gig one to remember. Very cozy, lot’s of fun & partying with them. The drums where put on the side of the stage so I had good contact with the band as with the public, nice. When ‘Oi Polloi’ started it got really frenzy. The two P.A. speaker-towers where moving (did’nt tip over) and punks hanging in the roof-beams. Great atmosphere that day, had lots of good talks and fun with more than 7 nationalities…

After ‘Quite Fresh Phobia’ split up I went on playing in different bands (‘Bek Hauwe Speule!’, ‘Toad’, ‘Hagridden”). Today still going strong with ‘Kort Door De Bocht’…

Skip Kort, ‘Q.F.P.’ drummer

Now I remember which ‘Oi Polloi’ gig I saw at the barn. It was this one with ‘Subcaos’ in 1994. (I had been on tour with ‘Subcaos’ in the summer of 93 aswell.)

Carsten Pötter, Frankfurt

94-04-02 Subcaos (by Michael M)‘Subcaos’ * João B./ Diogo / To-Pê / Xico / João A. (photo by Michael Maes)

94-04-02 Subcaos (by Wim DL)94-04-02 Subcaos' (by Wim DL)‘Subcaos’ (pictured by Wim DL)

excerpts from the V.V. guestbook:

VV 94-04-02 - (book B) Subway Arts

VV 94-04-02 - (book B) Subcaos

VV 94-04-02 - (book B) Quite Fresh Fobia

VV 94-04-02 - (book B) portugeseSamuel ‘Ratanza’ / Claudio ‘Simbiose’ / João Pedro (Slime recs)

VV 94-04-02 - (book B) Oi Polloi

VV 94-04-02 - (book B) Oi Polloi'

VV 94-04-02 - (book B) Oi Polloi''

VV 94-04-02 - (book B) Kulturalis Szemle

additions wellcome!…