93-10-24 Toxic Waste – Citizen Fish – Wounded Knee – Bad Influence

Posted: August 20, 2013 in VV 1993
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I saw ‘Toxic Waste’ (anarcho-punk band from Ulster) live in 1986 (86-04-05 at the Wolsack in Antwerp). The line-up then was Patsy Preston & Roy ‘Wally’ Wallace singing, Stuart ‘Marty’ Martin (guitar), Phil Coffey (bass) and Glen ‘Grub’ Thompson (drums). I might’ve heard them on the Mortohate’s We Don’t Want Your Fucking War compilation already too then. Bought the split-12” (with ‘Stalag 17′; see 86-05-10) The Truth Will Be Heard (released by the Warzone collective from Belfast, together with Mororhate recs). I was a fan! Especially the opener Traditionally Yours (with the aetheric guitars and Patsy Preston’s fragile singing) always brought me in a rebellious mood! They were also on the We Will Be Free LP (with ‘Asylum’ and ‘Stalag 17’ again). Couldn’t find their Unite to Resist demo (1983) then… In 1987 they put out the Belfast full album (on Belfast recs – NOT (see Marty’s correction below) with Petesy Burns on bass; ex ‘Stalag 17’, also drummer of ‘F.U.A.L.’ and Louanne Martin, singer of ‘F.U.A.L.’ – both visited the V.V. when touring with ‘The Next World’ – see 90-05-01).

93-10-24 Toxic Waste - Stalag 17 cover93-10-24 Toxic Waste - Stalag 17 back

The story about how Roy ended up in Antwerp and set up this tour can be read in Ian Glasper’s book The Day The Country Died… The ‘line-up here (the .V.V. was the last gig on this tour…) was: Roy (vocals), Deno ‘Dirt’ (vocals), ‘Marty’ Martin (guitar), Petesy Burns (bass) and Mark ‘Crispo’ Chrsitie (drums; ex ‘Pink Turds In Space’, also in ‘Brawl’ at one time…).

Marty was also in ‘Bleeding Rectum’ (with Wally & Crispo) and ‘Pink Turds In Space’ (with Crispo). Info on these bands can be found on his website.

This is what I wrote on the gig of ‘Culture Shock’ played for Smurfpunx (88-05-13) “an anarcho-punk / reggae-dub-ska band with Dick Lucas (formerly ‘Subhumans’; Bluurg recs)”. Very danceable tunes but socio-political lyrics aswell.”. I could use the same intro but with a couple of different band-members: ‘Citizen Fish’ (from the Bath area) were (at that time) Jasper Patterson (bass), Phil Bryant (guitar), Dick Lucas (vocals) and Trotsky (drums) – can ‘t remember if they had their ‘horns’ on tour. They had been here already before (93-02-21) and would come back later (94-09-17). In 1993 the band had their LP Flinch out (on Dick’s Bluurg recs; recorded right before this tour in August). Live Fish (in Germany)… They also did a split-7” with ‘A.O.S. 3’ a bit earlier. The guys are still playing (citizenfish.com) and so is ‘Subhumans’ (with Dick, Phil & Trotsky).

‘Bad Influence’ were the ‘usual’ support for bands from Bath/Bristol; this time they had Tim ‘Crow’ Shapland (ex ‘Zygote’) on bass (Labie had left the ‘baddies’). The others were ‘Holy’ Herwin (vocals), Joris Rombouts (drums) and Egbert Verheyen (replacing Thomas Noppe on guitar); bringing a new variety of their ‘pagan’ HC. (See also 90-10-27, 91-07-07, 92-11-01 & 93-09-04, etc.). In this line-up they recorded (’92) for a split-7” with ‘Sharon Tate’s Children’ (42 recs) and the Wake Up/Unacceptable 7” (42 recs & Skuld releases). Right after this they started recording for the Afterbirth 10” (with ‘Eggy’ on guitar)…

93-10-24 Bad Influence (by Wim DL)‘Bad Influence’; photo by Wim De Leersnijder

‘Wounded Knee’, a HC band from Niederkorn were: ‘Schof’ (drums; also ‘No More’), René Penning (bass; does coordination/booking at the Kulturfabrik – kulturfabrik.lu nowadays), Phillippe ‘Phlép’ (vocals), Stéphane Machel (guitar) and Claude ‘Pattex’ Werer (guitar, also ‘No More’). In 1993 they recorded the Not Proud Of My Country/Race tape (February ) & (in October) the Psycho Path 7” (Strive recs). They also had a track on the on the 500 Years Of Genocide 7” compilation (benefit for the Mohawk Nation). At first René also played guitar but he filled on bass when Don left to play for the French band ‘P.R.A.C.H.’; a bit later Claude joined.


I do remember playing and staying at the V.V. a few times; it was a great venue. I was there when I sang for ‘Toxic Waste’ too.

Deno ‘Dirt’

93-10-24 Deno's Toxic Waste tourDeno – Roy – Petesy – Micky Tierney (‘Bleeding Rectum’) – Crispo – Marty

93-10-24 Toxic Waste + Denofrom Deno’s diary (thanks a lot!)

Another great night… Probably played there with ‘Bleeding Rectum’ on another occasion but not sure if it was Vort’n Vis or not. ‘Brawl’ probably played there again with a different drummer as they did a couple more European tours after I departed. Fond memories of this place even though they might be a bit hazy…

Mark ‘Crispo’ Christie

My memories of that tour are all a bit blurred (it was 20 years ago!). What I can say is that we always got one of the warmest welcomes in Belgium, there was an excellent anarcho-punk /alternative scene throughout the 80s and 90s, well organised, friendly and they always took care of us really well. We had played loads of gigs with Dick’s various bands (‘Subhumans’, ‘Culture Shock’ and ‘Citizen Fish’ down through the years and they always “blew us off the stage” which was fine by me because I was a big fan of all those bands. ‘Bad Influence’ organised this tour as they did a few other ones for bands I was in, and they did an excellent job as always. They came to Ireland as well and we tried to return the favour. Great guys all of them. The crowd at that gig, from what the remains of my brain can remember, were excellent, really enthusiastic and completely surprised me that they knew so many of our songs. The venue was brilliant and we were very well looked after. Places like this were alway a real inspiration for us going back to Belfast. Many thanks for having us and maybe we’ll get back sometime in the future…

One correction that probably should be made to your blog is that Petesy and Louanne from FUAL did NOT play on the ‘Toxic Waste’ album Belfast. It was Roy playing bass and singing, Deno from ‘Dirt’ singing, Gary from ‘Dirt’ playing guitar and Grub playing drums.

‘Marty’ Martin

Micky Tierney was also playing guitar. We did some ‘Bleeding Rectum’ songs too and Micky was their lead guitarist. He played all of the set with us at all of the gigs. He’s in a video-clip on the www…

Petesy Burns

93-10-24 Toxic Waste + Deno (by Wim DL)‘Toxic Waste’; photo by Wim De Leersnijder (‘Crispo’ drumming in a ‘Brawl’ T-shirt)

‘Eggy’, or Egbert, from Herentals, played with Dirk & Munpie [Manfred Vinck] in ‘Dona Nobis Pacem’ [I think Gerrit played guitar in ‘Dona Nobis Pacem’.]. I never knew his full name, even though we played together in the band for a year or two. After the release of ‘Afterbirth’ he quit, I think.

Joris Rombouts, ‘Bad Influence’ drummer

Can’t really remember anything personally I’m afraid, it’s all a blur. Dick might find something in his diaries… When I see what he comes up with it might bring back some recollections. A Vort’n Vis sticker has resided on our bass-cab since we were there…

Phil, ‘Citizen Fish’ guitarist

Pedro Anthares (‘Selfish’, ‘Uutuus’, ‘Força Macabra’) came especially to see this gig.

Wim De Leersnijder

The day before (Oct 23rd 1993) we did our last gig with ‘Private Jesus Detector’ in Ternat (Some of the ‘Hiatus’ blokes sang along quite a few songs.). I was seriously ill then but I did go over to the Vort’n Vis on Sunday to go see ‘Toxic Waste’…

Koen ‘Siesele’ Lammens, ‘P.J.D.’ bassist

excerpts from the V.V. guestbook:

VV 93-10-24 - (book B) Wounded Knee

VV 93-10-24 - (book B) Bad Influence‘Munpie’ and baddie Herwin

VV 93-10-24 - (book B) Toxic Waste (Deno & Petesy)

VV 93-10-24 - (book B) Citizen Fish (Jasper P)VV 93-10-24 - (book B) Citizen Fish (Phil Bryant)VV 93-10-24 - (book B) Citizen FishDick ?

VV 93-10-24 - (book B) Canadian visiter on Toxic WasteCanadian visiter on ‘Toxic Waste’

VV 93-10-24 - (book B) Polish visiter (Pawel)Pawel (Scream recs) from Poland

VV 93-10-24 - (book B) visiters from Finlandvisiter(s) from Finland

additions wellcome!…

  1. Pascal Thiel says:

    The singer of ‘Wounded Knee’ works as a government employee at the tax-administration nowadays. Their guitarist is in charge of a youth-prison. Oh the irony!

  2. Jan Claus says:

    19 years after this (Dec 31st 2012) the singer of ‘Toxic Waste’ came back to Ieper to interview me (for his documentary Bloody Bloody Belgium, on the history of the Belgian punk-scene) at the Vort’n Vis temporary zone (Diksmuidseweg 59). Afterwards I took him to the 2nd place the Vort’n Vis was located (which will be demolished an rebuilt), and we also visited the original 1st building [Kiekenmarkt]. That has become a posh restaurant (restaurantcapella.be/blog/restaurant). The owners were busy setting up the tables for the New Year’s Eve dinner, but they let us in to have a look around. I showed Roy the place where the ‘stage’ was where he performed 19 years ago, now with elegantly set tables. There are also chic chandeliers…. The sleeping-place on the first floor where many crashed (or partied) after a gig was now a dining-room. Oh ironiy of fate!
    There’s more photos of the restaurant on my facebook (e.g. one taken from the place where once was our entrance during gigs and in the right corner at the back was the stage)…

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